Once upon a time there was a pair of inseperable Siamese twins that both fell in love with the same girl. She chose one over the other, which made the one not chosen insanely jealous. One night when the pair of lovers were sleeping, he killed her.
How do we judge one twin without the other paying the price, too?
How do we separate Innocence from Guilt?
We just live with them.
By: mirianne on July 6, 2008
at 9:55 pm
That’s a flat out cop out mirianne…
indicative of no depth of independent thought.
Tell me, seriously, who usually does your thinking for you?
By: Sue Ann Edwards on July 6, 2008
at 11:36 pm
Sue,
I believe we all have innocence and guilt inside. We do have contrarity inside. Living with them is learning how to handle them.
By: mirianne on July 7, 2008
at 9:32 am
Go ahead ostrich, keep your head buried in the sand.
Like I said….shallow.
Here’s an exercise for you:
Contemplate the concept OF “guilt”.
and you’ll find a Heart that knows nothing of Forgiveness.
Shallow, limited AND conflicted at the same time!
Oh well…you DO and WILL reap as you sow, just like the rest of us. Just don’t have the audacity to whine like it victim when it does.
By: Sue Ann Edwards on July 7, 2008
at 12:00 pm
Dedicated to the study of Universal Law, the Law of Attraction, the age old saying of reaping and sowing, AND Quantum physics…
If you’re shallow and you know it, clap your hands.
(clap, clap)
If you’re shallow and you know it, clap your hands.
(clap, clap)
If you’re shallow and you know it
Then the world will surely show it.
If you’re shallow and you know it clap your hands.
(clap, clap)
By: Sue Ann Edwards on July 7, 2008
at 1:31 pm
Sue,
it’s not a simple topic, indeed. Maybe, I misused the words (especially when I said “just live with them”, since we don’t “just” live with them).
However, I suppose innocence or guilt, there’s an implicit responsibility. As we live, we handle that responsibility and the conflict based on contradictory ways of being in One. (I shall dare to say that my thoughts are dependent on Freud and experience when it comes to contraditory humans and guilt).
The concept of guilt does not support forgiveness… Is that what you mean? I’m sorry, I didn’t understand.
By: mirianne on July 7, 2008
at 4:08 pm
Bravo! Bravo!!
NOW, you’re thinking! Giving some of your attention to really pondering and contemplating!
{{{{hugs}}}}
“The concept of guilt does not support forgiveness…”
Right on the mark! “Guilt” and “Forgiveness” are mutually EXCLUSIVE concepts. We can’t believe or Value BOTH at the same time. Nor can we express ANY semblance of Integrity that way. The real question is: how do we choose to deal with our mistakes, because making mistakes is what being human is all about. Do we choose to judge and condemn or do we choose to seek understanding because we’re compassionate? Forgive-ness is For giving.
As for Freud, he was a blind nitwit, trying to ascertain through mentally conflicted analysis, what he lacked in Awareness.
Unlike what you may imagine, NOT ALL of us are conflicted and contrary. Primarily because we take the time to discipline our ideas, INTEGRATING them, so they actually make SENSE. Clearing out our minds and hearts of all contaminants and pollutants that get in our way of recognizing IMMACULATE concepts.
“Sense”, it used to be known as “common sense”, since the ability to add ideas together, creating no contradictions and conflicts in the process, is available to us all. But we don’t all choose to use this ability.
It is a free choice.
Which results in consequences.
Sow conflict, reap conflict.
I would bet anything in the world, you have been preprogrammed in your thinking patterns and indoctrinated in some sort of religious dogma, that has to do with believing in a boob of a God.
One that’s limited.
Limited in Understanding. Limited in Acceptance. Limited in Tolerance. And limited in Loving, since it’s conditional.
An emotionally needy and unstable idiot of a God, a limited unlimited, an impotent Omnipotence. An emotional whore. An Absolute that is lacking in absolute-ness. As well as being, totally clueless when it comes to basic Principals of cause and effect.
As in, if we desire to be Loved, then we must BE Lovable. Just like if we desire to be Adored, then we must BE Adorable. If we desire to be forgiven, then we must BE forgiving. If we desire to be treated with compassion, then we must BE compassionate. If we desire to be accepted, then we must BE accepting. If we desire to be tolerated, then we must BE tolerant.
For whatever response we express, is exactly what the world is going to reflect back to us. “We reap as we sow”.
By: Sue Ann Edwards on July 7, 2008
at 5:28 pm
That’s a way of thinking, Sue… me being dependent, preprogrammed or not.
I think as awareness is sought, as we integrate, we don’t ignore what is contrary to some of our issues. That would be denial of the existence of some other points. It does not mean we are being both at the same time. We consider them.
The siamese twin is not to be judged by human laws because he should be forgiven and, in that logic of Forgiveness, there is no guilty!?
By: mirianne on July 7, 2008
at 8:22 pm
It’s a TOTALLY integrated pattern of thought mirianne.
And like I said, it is being both responsible and accountable for the use of our Wills. NOT claiming this responsibility, being what is called “license”, not “liberty” as well as being emotionally self indulgent.
ALL of our issues are caused by this lack of integration. Garbage in, garbage out. These contradictions cause mental and emotional imbalances. As far as awareness goes, it is IMPOSSIBLE to integrate a muck of contradictions, BECAUSE they ARE contradictions. It’s the same as saying water can both freeze and boil at the same time in the same dimension. Or asking for a boiling ice cream cone.
I also add that being dis-eased in our inner realms is what creates dis-ease in our outer realm. Another example of the Justice of Universal law.
Yes, the twin needs to be forgiven, setting a new pattern of thought and behavioral response in place of a judgmental and condemning one. The same goes for everyone in any kind of prison for whatever has happened, was attracted to the person it happened to. And we’d all be motivated to start governing our behavior and attitudes a bit more closely and responsibly, since there would be none around to support our self denial beliefs in “victimization” . Bleeding hearts always bleed; it is what makes them “bleeding hearts”.
If the girl had not chosen exclusitivity, it really being ridiculous, as well as, insane not to recognize the pair of twins live as one, she would not have been killed. As the story goes, she ASKED for it. She chose self denial and in return, her self was denied.
There are NO such things as victims.
As far as dependency goes, surrendering authority over our mind and heart to ANY outside authority is called “self denial”, too. Also keep in mind that “need” is not Love but a LACK of it. Why should other people have to keep feeding us, emotionally, just because we’re too lazy to provide for ourselves?
Our feelings are our OWN. Your hypothalumus functions in the same way as mine does. According to our pattern of thought, this gland produces peptides (brain chemicals) to match. When these peptides flood through our system, finding receptacles in ever cell, we call it “emotion”.
This denial of personal responsibility and accountability is the reason why there are so many dictatorial governments throughout our world. Dictators always pop up where ever and when ever people in a country are NOT personally and individually responsible and accountable for their beliefs, thoughts and feelings. (It’s always easier to blame then it is to claim.)
By: Sue Ann Edwards on July 7, 2008
at 9:55 pm
mirianne,
Listen to your HEART. Become INTIMATE in Understanding your own feelings.
TO YOUR OWN HEART BE TRUE.
To not do this, forms the foundation of our own self betrayal. Which will be mirrored to us in the World.
Listen to that authority that resides there. Surrender it not to any outside authority…freud, the pope, the ‘law’ or me. Yes, I AM a Master but I am a Master of my Self. Only YOU will know the desire and purpose of your Soul & Spirit. None other.
All I have been doing is directing you back inside yourself.
When I say “to your own HEART be true”, be aware that not all our feelings are coming from our Hearts. Most, are coming from our guts. Feelings of fear, doubt, depression and what is termed “bleeding hearts” are ALL gut centered emotions.
Now there is certainly nothing “wrong” with any of these feelings. It is simply if we make decisions and base our actions upon them, it will lead to some kind of unpleasant result. GUARANTEED.
In any situation, the easiest thing to do is ask ourselves, “how would I desire to be treated if that were me?” It doesn’t do any good to ask ourselves “what in the world were they thinking?” because most of the time, we’re not. Thinking, that is.
Thinking is a process of reasoning and like has been shown here, most of us aren’t doing any. If we were, we wouldn’t be coming up with a muck of contradictions as a result. This contrary and contradictory pattern is what our whole World teaches every single one of us, that’s why we’ve ALL been screwed up.
Also understand or try to wrap yourself around the understanding that “fear of death” is not a Love for Life and this is especially important as it applies to those feelings I mentioned, coming from our guts.
For more in depth on this, I suggest this:
http://sueannedwards.wordpress.com/understanding/
By: Sue Ann Edwards on July 8, 2008
at 9:27 am
smiling…this particular story is not ‘mine’. My HUSBAND made this one up. We’re quite a pair, he & I, only he enjoys rattling people more then I do…
By: Sue Ann Edwards on July 8, 2008
at 10:01 am
It would be interesting to hear the conversations between the brothers….to hear how the ‘innocent’ brother felt about the ‘guilty’ brother. They are One Flesh.
By: Grace on July 8, 2008
at 12:09 pm
Exactly Grace!
BOTH brothers are going to have to live with themselves…the Siamese twins being representative of our dual nature of being both a child of man and a child of God. Or the two voices we all live with inside our heads. One voice loves us the other doesn’t.
It’s the reconciliation of the 2 brothers, that is being described as the “awakening process”.
I can’t seem to emphasize it enough. Awakening and Awareness, especially, is an exercise in sensing. It is a steadily progressive sensitivity.
Mental exercises and approaching it from our mentality, DOESN’T work. It CANNOT be gained through the use of any kind of force.
Mental abstractions are sterile. They have no drawing Power, no Power of Attraction. They are simply escapes.
I don’t ask for anyone to believe me. I simply share Wisdom gleaned over experience. And if we think about it a bit, we’d realize that experience comes from making “wrong” choices, not “right” ones. (rolling my eyes)
I struggled. I fought with myself. Just imagine…all this brain power aimed and directed right at my self!
Thank God the Universe listened to my heart instead of my head…of course…I did/do have a service to perform, that if I had departed this plane, I wouldn’t have gotten to do it. (and would have had to come back AGAIN. I don’t want to come back again. There are more universes and dimensions to explore and experience besides this one.)
I mention dictatorships right now simply because I can “see” the energies already set in motion. The next planetary “hot spot” of conflict is going to be Central and South America. Simply due to the predominance of beliefs tied to the Catholic Church. There will ONLY be one Pope after this one, for that form, (of the church) has outlived it’s usefulness. Just like every other form of institutionalized religion.
{{{{hugs}}}}
Forgiveness is essential between the two brothers, because if we do not know Forgiveness when our Awareness expands, we find ourselves Self condemned, which results in either insanity or suicide. i tried to convey this understanding to someone years ago, whose husband had been institutionalized…he ended up dying.
By: Sue Ann Edwards on July 8, 2008
at 1:01 pm
Hello, you!
The process of thinking is being written on experience right now. I think experience is not just what we were and what we learnt. It is what we learnt and what we see now. Together.
I was just watching an interview on which a Brazilian man was telling the reporter how professionals – such as policemen – wouldn’t exist if he weren’t a robber. How would his comprehension of the others’ needs impact society, not only him himself?
By: mirianne on July 8, 2008
at 5:44 pm
The simplest way to cut down on crime is to make fewer things illegal. Respecting individual Liberty of experience, starting will ALL drug laws.
But then, of course, everyone of us making a profit from “war” would soon be out of the equation.
Let the Law of Supply and Demand operate FREELY.
And of course, get rid of our Barbie & Ken doll value system. You know dolls, plastic on the outside and hollow on the inside? Appearances of wealth are only a value when we’ve got our sense of Worth invested in them. It’s a free choice, of course, just a foolish one.
By: Sue Ann Edwards on July 9, 2008
at 2:53 pm