Posted by: Sue Ann Edwards | May 13, 2008

Knowing

In a recent conversation, on my blog, something obvious was played out.

“Agnost”, which means “not knowing” showed up and expressed: I Know Not. And insisted that “not knowing” be considered “knowledge”, in declaring: Because I Know Not, there Is Not.

“Gnost” which means “to know” responded by saying: OK…I understand. I understand the reality of being a ‘Not’head, too. Been there. Done that. But to declare “not knowing” to be any sort of *knowledge* is to express senselessness…an authority on “not knowing”, (rolling my eyes).

So I’m now bringing this page up and posting it…for those of us who also seek “to know”. And for those of us who seek “to know not”, in deep Respect, I acknowledge for ‘you’, it Is Not. For the Blind cannot see and the deaf cannot hear. But also don’t have the license to insist all others live so sensory challenged in self development.

“Thinking” to me is a process, a process of reasoning. Reasoning itself is a process, too. It is a process of adding one idea together with another without forming any contradictions in the process. This ability to make sense is common to one and all, that’s why it used to be called “common sense”.

So where does that leave “know-ledge” based on NOT “know-ing”?

Knowing

I asked my son to listen to one of the latest messages of sharing,
then asked for his comments.

“It sure sounds complicated Mom. It doesn’t sound simple. `Energy
balance’…? Why not come right out and say feeling needy?”

“What you’re hearing is an expression of distance, Honey. That’s
why so much emphasis is being placed on feeling. Because most of us
are generally distanced as far away from acknowledging our genuine
feelings as we can get. What most of us feel is not coming from our
Hearts, but from our guts. And we deal with these gut level
feelings in one of two ways, I’ve observed.

There’s our pattern of detaching ourselves from our feelings and
escaping into our mentality. It’s where a lot of our analytical
tendencies are coming from. I notice things like aggression and
anger on the rise and the tones of the popular music, to see what it
is we’re avoiding. What feelings we’re keeping locked inside, using
mental gymnastics and pursuits, as exercises in distraction.
There’s a lot of concentration on virtual reality going on and very
little concentration on improving coping skills.”

“That’s why you are the way you are about video games aren’t you
Mom?”

“Yes, to a point. I didn’t tell you I wouldn’t allow video games.
I would just make you unplugged from them every so often when your
social skills started suffering. You’re my math and engineering
child. Abstract concepts come easy for you.

As your Mother, my goal was well balanced. When you showed signs of
impatience and were quick to anger at your sister’s annoyance, I
would tell you to unplug for a week and read a book. Reading the
book activated the other side of your brain, your imagination. You
get too right brained, I direct you to the left. Just like when
Angela gets too left, I direct her to the right. The goal is
balanced. Well balanced.

This running away from our emotions into our mentality is like
hiding the dirty litter box behind a door. We don’t have to
acknowledge it’s full but, the smell still permeates everything.
We’re not facing our emotions but the emotions are still very much
present.

The other pattern we use is one of simply indulging ourselves in our
feelings, never mind knowing what those feelings are and why we’re
feeling them. Emotional self indulgence.

If we didn’t indulge ourselves in emotions below the waistline, then
chances are, we wouldn’t have so many issues with how far those
waistlines are expanding. Maybe if we called them wastelines, then
it would become clear what so many of us keep doing to ourselves.

Emotions and feelings from our gut level are not Loving emotions.
And it’s these emotions that we keep feeding ourselves. Emotions
that are not Loving, nor nurturing. The more we nurture these denser
emotions, the more we feel them. The more we feel them, the more we
feel we need nurturing. It is a cycle of neediness. And one of the
rules of the game is that there never will be enough.”

“Enough of what?”

“Enough of whatever. It doesn’t matter. It can’t be enough, for if
it ever was, then we wouldn’t find ourselves in need.

Reminds me of the new Lime Coke. Have you had one?”

“Yes. I know what it does.”

“Yeah, the lime is an aftertaste. You drink more Coke to kill the
aftertaste and end up with more of an aftertaste. You can drink the
whole bottle and still end up thirsty for something to kill the
aftertaste. Perfect treat for Halloween, a drink that leaves you
thirsty after drinking it.

Of the two patterns, the emotionally indulgent one is the most
draining. It usually just goes on and on and on, one guilt trip
after another. Which is one of the main reasons why so many of us
use the other pattern. To make ourselves immune to those of us
using this one.

You and Angela are good examples of the patterns. Male/female. One
lives in denial of emotions and the other wallows in it. You’ve
just got a vulture of a Mom that won’t tolerate the use of either
unhealthy pattern in my house.”

“Why? Isn’t that being kind of controlling, Mom?”

“If I don’t teach you what Respect IS, then you won’t know how to be
Respectful to others. Neither of the emotional patterns I mentioned
are Respectful of others. And yes, you may just chalk it up to
being a Condition. If I’m not being treated with Respect in my own
home, you’re going to hear about it. Chances are, so will the
neighbors.”

“How is it Disrespectful?”

“Because neither pattern Respects our emotions as our emotions.
One pattern detaches in order to avoid claiming them. The other
simply blames every emotion experienced, on someone or something
else.

The one thing that would help both, is the one thing that both
avoid.”

“What’s that?”

“Sovereignty. Respecting and Honoring our emotions as our
emotions. Then and only then, are we empowered to start governing
them. Choose to feed ourselves emotions that are Loving and
nurturing instead of those that aren’t.

Your textbook for that college Health class you took called it being
Self Nurturing and listed it as one of the requirements for being
considered mentally and emotionally healthy. Research studies have
found the link between wellness and being self nurturing in our
attitudes.

The neediness, the draining of resources, physical resources, mental
resources and emotional resources, in order to maintain the feeding
cycle.., that’s what was meant by `energy balancing`.”

“Everybody in need and fighting over pieces of a pie, instead of
claming Sovereignty, being self nurturing and increasing the size of
the pie?”

“You got it. Start balancing the energy. Make pie bigger. Instead
of fighting over pieces.”

“What’s this word mean?”

“Which one?”

“Gnost. What’s that all about?”

“It’s a term that’s been used before historically. `Gnost’
means `knowing’.”

“Well, why didn’t they just say that?”

“You’d have to ask them. Maybe they didn’t `know’?”

“That’s funny Mom.”

“I didn’t mean it to be funny but yes, I see the humor in the
situation. Been there. Done that. `We shall see, said the blind
man’. Same thing.

Jason, I know the word, because I know some Greek and I studied the
esoteric texts. `Gnost’ and `agnost’. `To know’ and `to know
not’. Both come from the root word gnosis, which means Knowledge,
but this knowledge isn’t the head kind. This Knowledge is an inner
Knowing. Ancients Greeks used to call it an Intuitive Knowing.
It’s the Knowing that comes from our Hearts. Gnost is when
Understanding sinks in.

We Understand because we Know. I taught you to be Heart centered.
To believe in what you Know and not dishonor it in favor of what
someone else said they thought they knew. I’ve hammered Sovereignty
into your head like a drill sergeant since you were little Hon.
It’s part of what makes you `different’.”

“Thanks Mom.”

“I didn’t miss the sarcasm.”

“It did make it difficult when it came to relating to kids my age.”

“I know it did. I went through it, too. It’s getting better isn’t
it? Now that you’re in college and around others that are focused
in self development?”

“Yes, yes it is.”

“Well, it’s going to get easier, too. For a lot of us. We’re
going to have more company on the play ground real soon. I don’t
know how big the wave is, but there is a massive wave of people that
just expanded to the level of claiming their Sovereignty. A great
many of us have recently chosen to reconnect and start opening our
Hearts. Now the healing can genuinely begin.

The grounding and anchoring is going on just like I suspected. This
is cause for celebration. We`re gonna’ have company.”

“I don’t understand Mom.”

“In old literature, what’s going on used to be
called ‘precipitation’. We Love an idea first in our Mind. This
mental Love is called Admiration. If we admire it long enough and
often enough and strong enough, then one day we’ll have become
comfortable enough with the idea to open our Hearts and, it will
start grounding and anchoring. We’ll start digesting it. We will
come to know the feeling the idea represents. Genuine Understanding
will literally sink in. Once it is anchored and grounded in our
Hearts, then we become able to live it. Expressing it in our daily
activities and responses to Life.

Grounding Gnost is like digesting one of those 72 ounce Texas
steaks. We can only do it one bite at a time and digest each bite,
allowing ourselves time to absorb it, otherwise, we’ll get sick.
What makes it even more of a challenge, is that most of us are
anorexic or bulimic when it comes to Gnost. It’s hard for us to
swallow, much less digest.

Just simply the word being used threw me for a loop. What threw me
was the context. It took me back almost 18 years. `Gnost`,
meaning `to know’ from the Greek word gnosis, meaning Knowledge,
Intuitive Knowing.”

“That would have helped.”

“They didn’t Know, Honey. It is this Knowing that many are now
opening up to Dear. It’s the Knowing that is now in the process of
precipitating. It’s comparable to the event of bringing down the
Berlin Wall but happening on a much more profound level. There is
great excitement and a sense of celebration as the wall tumbles.

The next thing that will happen is a realization of how much healing
work there is to be done. Like the realization of how horrid the
conditions were in East Germany and how much work and effort it was
going to take to bring East Germany up to the standards enjoyed by
West Germany.”

“Celebrate today for tomorrow reality is going to sink in.”

“Basically. Using the word Gnost is really insightful. For the
subject is Empowerment and claiming our Sovereignty. Being True to
what we Know in our Hearts. Being True to Gnost. Cease choosing
Self denial and Self betrayal. And the world will quit mirroring
that betrayal. Honor thyself. Respect thyself. Love thyself.”

“Mom, why is the pattern of self denial and self betrayal so
widespread?”

“It’s what we’ve all been taught. Monkey see, monkey do. The
pattern of denial and betrayal was formally decreed to be
the `Christian’ moral standard at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD.”

“The Council of Nicea?”

“Yes, the Council of Nicea. Nicea is a town in Turkey. Roman
Emperor Constantine I
convened a council there in 325 AD. The invitation list was very
exclusive. Only Agnostics were invited to attend and contribute.”

“Agnostics?”

“Yes. Agnostics. Agnost means `to know not’. The New Testament is
basically set against an agnostic background of worshipping
Ignorance. Make `not knowing’ a moral goal and make knowing taboo.
That’s what was done.

It was at this council that certain self proclaimed religious
authorities of the time decided the contents of the `New
Testament’. Since only Agnostics attended, only agnostic
interpretations and perspectives were declared as valid and True,
while any and all Gnostic perspectives and interpretations were
declared heresy. To speak or write of them meant a death sentence.

Reference to this is in your movie King Arthur.”

“Where?”

“Arthur’s mentor, Pelagius. It is mentioned in the movie that he
was executed for his beliefs. Because according to his beliefs,
others didn’t look so holy. Pelagius was a Gnostic. His death
sentence was due to the overriding perspective of The Church at the
time. It was Agnostic. The Church didn’t like the Gnostic
perspective.”

“Why?”

“Because in accordance with the Gnostic perspective, religion is a
personal experience of individual consciousness. A deeply and
profoundly personal experience of communing with the Knowing in our
Hearts.

For all the other little petty disagreements that were decided and
presumably set in stone at that council, the negation of the Gnostic
perspective wasn’t even argued by those in attendance. Of course
Gnostics needed to be wiped out. Individual spiritual experiences
would nullify the hierarchy and authority of The Church.

Here’s the real kicker, though…

It was also decreed that it be accepted on Blind Faith that those
who selected the books included and labeled as the New Testament,
were Divinely inspired.”

“Inspired by what?”

“By `not knowing’ obviously. (ROFL) But anyone who questioned the sense in
accepting `not knowing’ as `knowledge’ throughout the ages, was
summarily executed.

There you have it. That’s how we all got programmed in Denial and
Betrayal. Because it meant a death sentence not to be for many
ages.”

“But Mom, it doesn’t make any sense.”

“What doesn’t make any sense?”

“To claim to be an authority on ‘not knowing’. How could you know?”

“Does sound kind of dumb doesn’t it? It gets even worse in terms of
sense, really.”

“How?”

“We’re suppose accept this authority as having unknown powers for
determining the unknowable. We’re not suppose to question the sense
or the authority. And simply questioning is proof of wanting to
know, wanting to understand. We’re not suppose to want `to
know`. It’s `wrong’ to want to know. Obedience is `good’.
Understanding is `bad’.

I’ll show you how ingrained the pattern of `not suppose to want to
understand’ is.”

“How?”

“Have you ever seen one of your friends getting into trouble for
asking their parents or some other authority figure `why’?”

“Yeah!”

“Well…there it is. A simple expression of seeking to understand
perceived as a threat to ‘authority’.”

“You never acted that way, Mom.”

“No, I didn’t. I knew better. I didn’t want compliance. What good
would that do? You’d end up being a co-dependent that needs others
to think and make decisions for them. I don’t want to have to carry
you all my life. 9 months was enough. Nor do I want to fight with
some other female as to who’s going to make your decisions for you.
No thanks. I suppose I could have raised you immersed in The
Church’s teachings and dogma in order to control your choices. Then
I could have used guilt to whip you with, for the rest of your life.”

“Guilt over what?”

“Oh I don’t know. I could have made up something, like trying to
make you feel guilty for kicking me all those times when I was
pregnant with you. It doesn’t matter what the guilt is over once
we’ve already been programmed to respond to guilt. But I didn’t do
that either.

I knew your path, your Life’s Joy depends on listening to your own
heart and basing your choices on what your own Heart reveals to
you. It’s our Hearts that tell us our Passion. It’s our Hearts
that tell us our Joys. It’s our Heart that Loves.

I desired your Understanding. I wanted you to know how to
understand things yourself, for yourself. The more you questioned,
the more you expressed your desire to know. I supported and
nurtured that to the best of my ability. I taught you to question,
seeking Understanding. I didn’t want you to believe in the
unknowable, just the unknown.”

“I didn’t realize the worship of Ignorance was so widespread.”

“Believe me, we don’t know what we’re doing when it comes to what we
choose to believe.

The taboo against Knowing is really strong. So most of us don’t
question. Being caught questioning and not just simply believing,
is like being labeled a religious criminal of some kind. Fear of
the consequences is an overriding factor of many. Why, I’ve even
had a ‘Shaman’ quite earnestly warn me of the dire consequences of
Knowing in these days and times.”

“Why is the fear so strong?”

“Most likely has something to do with all the persecutions and
exterminations. The Cathars, The Knights Templar, The Freemasons,
The Rosicrucian’s, The Ascended Master Teaching Foundation, The
Illuminati, were and are essentially Gnostic groups.”

“Secret societies?”

“You bet. But not for subversive reasons. Secret as in, we will be
executed if anyone finds out we even know about these alternate
perspectives. The word ‘occult’ means that which is hidden.
When ‘not knowing’ became the way of the World, ‘knowing’ had to go
underground, in order to avoid being noticed.”

“All those names you mentioned, they`re familiar but I don’t know
why.”

“Most likely because you’ve seen the names before. Lots of time.
Every time we moved my library. The Esoteric teachings of all
those society’s are what’s in all those books.”

“I don’t have to read all of them do I”?

“Heaven’s no. Not unless you particularly want to. Maybe you’d
like to check my resources?’

“No way.”

“Then simply leave it at knowing there is ample reference material
at hand, should you ever be interested or curious. I think the
material is outdated myself. We are Living Beings and expand in our
Understanding all the time. You told me the information I sought.”

“It sure will be more fun on the playground with more kids to play
with, huh, Mom?”

“Yes, Dear. It will be nice to have company.”

Responses

You and your son sound like you had quite a wonderful conversation. Trusting your heart is not as easy as one might think; and it does in fact go back to how we were raised and what’s been passed on to us from our ancestors, both blood and non-blood. It’s quite sad actually. Alhough I truly do not believe that God is so limitless to only choose a choses few, or only choose those who believe that Christ is the Messiah into the gates of heaven; I have an inner fear that if I don’t believe such, I might miss out on something. I thought about that last night, and said to myself, “self, how much sense does that make? If you know in your heart that God is accepting of all other souls no matter their belief, then what makes it that he won’t accept you?” I remember having these concerns and fears since I was a small child, after having my teacher read stories to us about the Nadia. I was looking at What the Bleep last night with my son, because he has such a keen interest in things unknown. The question came up about the mind being able to manifest reality. He said something about Jesus being able to manifest reality, in walking on water, and other miralcles. I reactively, without thinking said, well Jesus was born into believing he was THE son of God. He was groomed into this belief from his mother since he was born, so his mind did not have the same mental disbeliefs and blocks that we have. Although Jesus spoke of asking and believing, I believe he knew that the reason others could not perform these feats were because they simply could not fathom that they could. My son then said, “so are you saying that Jesus was not THE son of God.” I replied, I believe we are ALL God’s children. And we have the power withing ourselves if we truly believe we can and have pure intent. He then asked me abotu the Holy Trinity; for which I told him that I think was something the Catholic Church made up long after Jesus died. I wish I hadn’t said that, because I had not researched it as of yet.

Back to my point . . . After some time, I felt guilty that I had perhaps put some doubt into my childs mind as to the validity of the Bible. I felt that perhaps I should go back and tell him, that what I said is not written in stone and is only one of many of my perspectives, as they unfold through the years and through different circumstances. But I do know they change, not because anything changes, but because of ingraded fear of being wrong about feeling different than how I was always taught. I believe Jesus was superior in his Knowing - but I believe he was trying to tell us that we all have the same abilities; we just have to believe we do and allow our conscious to work our intent. I can still hear that little whisper in my ear, blasphemy, Cordie, Blasphemy! It’s so fearful, because the Bible says that Blasphemy is the ONLY unforgiveable sin. Perhaps what’s unforgivable is to believe that we are not who we really are, divine in all ways, capable of all things.

Peace, Light and Love,
CordieB.

Thanks Sue Ann Edwards, for sharing your insights on my blog. You have a very thoughtful blog.I admire your down to earth approach.
God bless.

Goodness Sue Ann! I read every word of this one (oops, what am I admitting? hee hee) I loved this conversation, I love your tough-love as some might call it, I love your perspectives and way with words. I think I’ll go make some pie…

http://jonfeatherstone.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/the-right-and-wrong-that-is-not/#comments

http://sueannedwards.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/sacrifice-means-to-uplift/

http://sueannedwards.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/zeitgeist/

http://sueannedwards.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/pisces/

Hi {{cordieb !!!!}}}

{{{{hugs}}}

I’ve left some links for your reading pleasure, as much of what I would say, I’ve said before.

Basically, I agree with an ole’ saying: There is no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just clean the baby off.

I have a collection of Bibles. And the one thing I can assure us on, is that chapters and verses have been changed over the millennia, changing the MEANINGS. And here I can’t even tell a story now-a-days and have it reach the end of the block without it changing into something that doesn’t even remotely resemble the original…

INTERPRETATIONS are what is questionable when it comes to The Bible. The Whole of Christian thought as we have been taught it, comes from personal letters of Paul, who never even so much as met Christ in the flesh. Paul was also raised according to the Greek style, when in came to sexuality and women, so his interpretation was colored with these ideas and attitudes to begin with. I simply point out that “paul” was not “peter”, and it was upon “peter” that Christ said to place our foundation of understanding upon.

I tell my children to read what it says in red, when it comes to The Bible, for those are the words of Christ. The rest…is up for grabs…as far as interpretation.

A lot of the questions rolling through your mind are coming from beliefs in Love ONLY upon Condition. If you but ponder it a moment, you’ll realize that a ‘god’ that’s limited in spiritual substance of character, isn’t really much of a ‘god’ at all.

A ‘god’ that accepts *this* but not *that* is a real dweeb of a god. A real numbnuts. A limited unlimited, an impotent omnipotence…a ‘god’ that’s limited in understanding and compassion…what a riot! ROFL

And most of us have been scared silly by this moron idea of a ‘god’ for most of our lives. And it’s a TOTALLY conflicted idea; that’s where our problems and issues are coming from.

It is a basic Principal of cause and effect….if I desire to BE Ador-ed, then all I need to do, is BE Ador-able. If I desire to BE Lov-ed, then all I need do, is Be Lov-able.

And it’s *this* basic principal that the ‘god’ image we were taught is incredibly LACKING in Understanding.

UNconditional Love is EXACTLY that. UNconditional. The Joy of genuine Love comes through its extension. And that’s the simplicity of it. The experience of Joy is in the extension, not in the response to it.

It’s Need that barters for conditions, not Love and seeing through our illusions of calling “need” love, is one of our crucial steps in awakening. As in, uh oh, I goofed up; I only thought I was being loving when what I really have been being, is needy.

ALL That Is, is ALL THAT IS. There are NO exclusions. NO one is ever left out, rejected or abandoned, because if there ever was, it wouldn’t be ALL THAT IS.

Just like there is only One WHOLE Truth. For there to be more then one, would mean that neither is ALL INclusive.

ALL of our ideas of exclusive-ness are *crap*…made up by us fossilized fools long ago, in order to support our insecure vanities, by whitewashing our lacks in substance of character with self righteousness.

And I’d be hard pressed to say that anything physical has any power to block our access to Spirit, such as our ‘blood’ or our ‘dna’. Be not fooled by appearances of form, for they are what supports our illusions of separation. Prejudice is prejudice, bias is bias.

And what is of Spirit, will ALWAYS carry a certain tone. And that tone is Unity. Equanimity is part of “it”, too. It is a tone that is embracing rather then giving causes for exclusion.

A Happy Day to you & yours this day {{cordieB}}

Locals in my community tell me there are only two seasons here: winter and August….well…August must be coming early this year because for the very 1st time this year, we’ve got Sunshine and temps creeping up past 50. Ohhh goodie, I’m going outside in search of a sunburn.

Hi {{curiousC}} !!!!

pie, did you say pie? what kind? (licking my lips)

as for admitting….LOL!!!!!

I *know* what you mean!!!!!

smiling.

if it’s hard reading, then imagine what it must be like translating it *this* far. It’s a real trip, I tell ya’! And I Thank You for having Patience with me, as I attempt to put into words, what can’t exactly be defined.

~shrugs~ That’s what happens whenever we try to define the undefined….it simply loses its undefined-ness in translation. (crossing my eyes)

And God Bless YOU, too {{surjit}} !!!!

There comes a time for all of us when we start anchoring and grounding what we have beheld in our minds. If we admire an idea long enough and often enough, it will eventually precipitate in our hearts. Understanding will literally sink in and when this does, then we can actually begin living it in all our waking moments.

It simply made sense to me that if I desired to create heaven on earth I needed to bring it down to earth but maybe…I’m just too simple minded.

I DO like sharing tho, that “down to earth” is a lot different then “stuck in the mud”.

{{{{hugs}}}

{{cordieb}} There are a couple of things I thought I might add to my previous response. 1st, there is much LEFT OUT in the story of Jesus that shows up in ancient documents from other cultures. {{Mary}} was trained from a little girl in the Mystery Schools in Luxor, Egypt. Her consciousness was PURE, (meaning of virgin); it was free of duality and polarity ‘corruptions’ She was a ‘channel’ or focus of the Immaculate Concept of Unconditional Love.

2nd, the use of the world ‘THE’ Christ. Maybe if I said it this way it would help. On the level of Spirit there is only one Son and this realization of sonship is what is called the Christ level of Consciousness. I could very well say Hercules THE Christ, or cordieb THE Christ. It represents a level of awareness.

As for the ‘holy trinity’ you already *know* it; you just don’t know you know it….yet. But you will!

The 3 apples representing Divine Principals. These 3 Divine Principals are what is meant by the ‘holy trinity’. Symbolizing Will, Love and Loving Will in Expression. (father, son and holy spirit.)

Here I go again. . . . please bear with me. Can you elaborate a little further on

Will, Love and Loving Will in Expression. (father, son and holy spirit.)

Thanks,

HUGS. {{cordieb}}

I didn’t forget! (my last week was not anything that had any ‘usual’ routine to it. Must be my daughter’s desire for a router manifesting as “a # of people being in my way” ;)

here is what I sense you seek to find:

http://sueannedwards.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/rays-of-sonshine/

It takes Intelligent Activity to express a Loving Will, basically.

Thanks!

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